[Jython-users] Jython use cases inside Rackspace, IBM, Oracle, Vert.x

[Fernando Cassia]

Looking around I was able to gather a few use cases for Jython at major
corporations and corporate products, that I wasnÂŽt previously aware of.

The BURP security scanner uses Jython for scripting
http://portswigger.net/burp/help/extender.html

Jython is used internally by the Vert.x 2 app server, for Python support
(see last paragraph)
http://vertx.io/vertx2/manual.html

Jython is also used by IBM,
1. in its Websphere App Server, for scripting
https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/community/wikis/home?lang=en#%21/wiki/Tivoli%20Service%20Request%20Manager/page/Jython%20Scripts
2. in Tivoli SRM
http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/Redbooks.nsf/ibmpressisbn/9780137009527?Open
3. in Maximo Asset Management Solution
http://www.maximopulse.com/2014/08/14/setting-up-eclipse-for-maximo-automation-scripts-jython-programming/

Last year, Oracle added Jython support for spcripting to its FDMEE
(Financial Data Quality Management, Enterprise Edition) -previous versions
used VBscript
http://www.odtug.com/p/bl/et/blogid=1&blogaid=357

Oracle also uses Jython in its Oracle Data Integrator (ODI)
http://karanbalkar.com/2013/05/tutorial-26-using-jython-in-odi/

Oracle also uses Jython in RDIC (Remote Intradoc Client)
https://blogs.oracle.com/OracleWebCenterSuite/entry/jython_examples_using_ridc

Could these be added to the Jython page, under a "Who uses Jython?" link,
featured prominently atop the main page?

I know Jim Baker maintains a small list of Jython usage cases in his Github
account at
https://github.com/jimbaker/talks/blob/master/jython-at-rackspace.md

I think itÂŽd be great if at the main page we could implement an
horizontally scrolling list of logos of all the firms that use Jython,
linking to such wiki list it would greatly help increase its visibility and
momentum.

I volunteer to maintain such list.

It's mind blowing that despite all the hard work by Frank, Jim and the rest
of the contributors, Jython needs to be continuously countering FUD (Fear,
Uncertainly, and Doubt) saying that "it's dead", as for instance in the
following Quora question, until I replied with some facts...

http://www.quora.com/Is-Jython-alive

Just an idea.
FC

--
During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary
act
Durante épocas de Engaño Universal, decir la verdad se convierte en un Acto
Revolucionario
- George Orwell

[Carl Trachte]

On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 2:31 PM, Fernando Cassia <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> Looking around I was able to gather a few use cases for Jython at major
> corporations and corporate products, that I wasn´t previously aware of.
>
> The BURP security scanner uses Jython for scripting
> http://portswigger.net/burp/help/extender.html
>
> Jython is used internally by the Vert.x 2 app server, for Python support
> (see last paragraph)
> http://vertx.io/vertx2/manual.html
>
> Jython is also used by IBM,
> 1. in its Websphere App Server, for scripting
> https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/community/wikis/home?lang=en#%21/wiki/Tivoli%20Service%20Request%20Manager/page/Jython%20Scripts
> 2. in Tivoli SRM
> http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/Redbooks.nsf/ibmpressisbn/9780137009527?Open
> 3. in Maximo Asset Management Solution
> http://www.maximopulse.com/2014/08/14/setting-up-eclipse-for-maximo-automation-scripts-jython-programming/
>
> Last year, Oracle added Jython support for spcripting to its FDMEE
> (Financial Data Quality Management, Enterprise Edition) -previous versions
> used VBscript
> http://www.odtug.com/p/bl/et/blogid=1&blogaid=357
>
> Oracle also uses Jython in its Oracle Data Integrator (ODI)
> http://karanbalkar.com/2013/05/tutorial-26-using-jython-in-odi/
>
> Oracle also uses Jython in RDIC (Remote Intradoc Client)
> https://blogs.oracle.com/OracleWebCenterSuite/entry/jython_examples_using_ridc
>
> Could these be added to the Jython page, under a "Who uses Jython?" link,
> featured prominently atop the main page?
>
> I know Jim Baker maintains a small list of Jython usage cases in his Github
> account at
> https://github.com/jimbaker/talks/blob/master/jython-at-rackspace.md
>
> I think it´d be great if at the main page we could implement an horizontally
> scrolling list of logos of all the firms that use Jython, linking to such
> wiki list it would greatly help increase its visibility and momentum.
>
> I volunteer to maintain such list.
>
> It's mind blowing that despite all the hard work by Frank, Jim and the rest
> of the contributors, Jython needs to be continuously countering FUD (Fear,
> Uncertainly, and Doubt) saying that "it's dead", as for instance in the
> following Quora question, until I replied with some facts...
>
> http://www.quora.com/Is-Jython-alive
>
> Just an idea.
> FC
>
> --
> During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary
> act
> Durante épocas de Engaño Universal, decir la verdad se convierte en un Acto
> Revolucionario
> - George Orwell
>
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When I worked for defense the US Army was using jython as an API for
there COMBAT XXI simulation software (written in Java). My boss at
the time (he's since moved on to another project management gig) did
give a talk on it at Pycon in 2010:

http://www.slideshare.net/onesimplehuman/python-in-combat-model

This idea (use cases) is cool. Thanks for your efforts on it.

[Stefan Richthofer]

I am also +1 on this idea. Especially on displaying "Who uses Jython?"

> I volunteer to maintain such list.
Also from me: Thanks for your efforts on it!

My only concern is that a list of logos could be perceived as ads.
Usually Python-conference sides display logos of their sponsors. And
actual sponsorship shoud -imho- stay the hurdle to take for getting one's
logo on some Python main-page, shouldn't it? At least for official pages.
Maybe a link to popular Jython use-cases could be presented in some neutral
way, just a (somehow decorated) well visible link "Jython in industry" or
something.

Regards

-Stefan


> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 08. Juli 2015 um 01:51 Uhr
> Von: "Carl Trachte" <***@gmail.com>
> An: "Jython Users" <Jython-***@lists.sourceforge.net>
> Betreff: Re: [Jython-users] Jython use cases inside Rackspace, IBM, Oracle, Vert.x
>
> On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 2:31 PM, Fernando Cassia <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Looking around I was able to gather a few use cases for Jython at major
> > corporations and corporate products, that I wasn´t previously aware of.
> >
> > The BURP security scanner uses Jython for scripting
> > http://portswigger.net/burp/help/extender.html
> >
> > Jython is used internally by the Vert.x 2 app server, for Python support
> > (see last paragraph)
> > http://vertx.io/vertx2/manual.html
> >
> > Jython is also used by IBM,
> > 1. in its Websphere App Server, for scripting
> > https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/community/wikis/home?lang=en#%21/wiki/Tivoli%20Service%20Request%20Manager/page/Jython%20Scripts
> > 2. in Tivoli SRM
> > http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/Redbooks.nsf/ibmpressisbn/9780137009527?Open
> > 3. in Maximo Asset Management Solution
> > http://www.maximopulse.com/2014/08/14/setting-up-eclipse-for-maximo-automation-scripts-jython-programming/
> >
> > Last year, Oracle added Jython support for spcripting to its FDMEE
> > (Financial Data Quality Management, Enterprise Edition) -previous versions
> > used VBscript
> > http://www.odtug.com/p/bl/et/blogid=1&blogaid=357
> >
> > Oracle also uses Jython in its Oracle Data Integrator (ODI)
> > http://karanbalkar.com/2013/05/tutorial-26-using-jython-in-odi/
> >
> > Oracle also uses Jython in RDIC (Remote Intradoc Client)
> > https://blogs.oracle.com/OracleWebCenterSuite/entry/jython_examples_using_ridc
> >
> > Could these be added to the Jython page, under a "Who uses Jython?" link,
> > featured prominently atop the main page?
> >
> > I know Jim Baker maintains a small list of Jython usage cases in his Github
> > account at
> > https://github.com/jimbaker/talks/blob/master/jython-at-rackspace.md
> >
> > I think it´d be great if at the main page we could implement an horizontally
> > scrolling list of logos of all the firms that use Jython, linking to such
> > wiki list it would greatly help increase its visibility and momentum.
> >
> > I volunteer to maintain such list.
> >
> > It's mind blowing that despite all the hard work by Frank, Jim and the rest
> > of the contributors, Jython needs to be continuously countering FUD (Fear,
> > Uncertainly, and Doubt) saying that "it's dead", as for instance in the
> > following Quora question, until I replied with some facts...
> >
> > http://www.quora.com/Is-Jython-alive
> >
> > Just an idea.
> > FC
> >
> > --
> > During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary
> > act
> > Durante épocas de Engaño Universal, decir la verdad se convierte en un Acto
> > Revolucionario
> > - George Orwell
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Don't Limit Your Business. Reach for the Cloud.
> > GigeNET's Cloud Solutions provide you with the tools and support that
> > you need to offload your IT needs and focus on growing your business.
> > Configured For All Businesses. Start Your Cloud Today.
> > https://www.gigenetcloud.com/
> > _______________________________________________
> > Jython-users mailing list
> > Jython-***@lists.sourceforge.net
> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jython-users
> >
>
> When I worked for defense the US Army was using jython as an API for
> there COMBAT XXI simulation software (written in Java). My boss at
> the time (he's since moved on to another project management gig) did
> give a talk on it at Pycon in 2010:
>
> http://www.slideshare.net/onesimplehuman/python-in-combat-model
>
> This idea (use cases) is cool. Thanks for your efforts on it.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Don't Limit Your Business. Reach for the Cloud.
> GigeNET's Cloud Solutions provide you with the tools and support that
> you need to offload your IT needs and focus on growing your business.
> Configured For All Businesses. Start Your Cloud Today.
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[Fernando Cassia]

On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 9:24 PM, Stefan Richthofer <***@gmx.de>
wrote:

> My only concern is that a list of logos could be perceived as ads.
> Usually Python-conference sides display logos of their sponsors. And
> actual sponsorship shoud -imho- stay the hurdle to take for getting one's
> logo on some Python main-page, shouldn't it? At least for official pages.
> Maybe a link to popular Jython use-cases could be presented in some neutral
> way, just a (somehow decorated) well visible link "Jython in industry" or
> something.
>

Hi Stefan,

Now that I think about it, perhaps legally it would be too big of a hurdle
to obtain permission to use each and every logo. So, it's much safer to use
company names...

Anyway, is there a wiki or web server playground -like staging.jython.org,
test.jython.org or something- where I could edit such list and preview it
before copying it to the live web site?. I only have experience editing
wikipedia articles... But even if I have to dig into HTML that shouldn't be
a problem....

FC

--
During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary
act
- George Orwell

[Fernando Cassia]

On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Fernando Cassia <***@gmail.com> wrote:

> Anyway, is there a wiki or web server playground -like staging.jython.org,
> test.jython.org or something- where I could edit such list and preview it
> before copying it to the live web site?. I only have experience editing
> wikipedia articles... But even if I have to dig into HTML that shouldn't be
> a problem....
>
> FC
>

I realized that I never got any answer to the above, and still there s no
such list of Jython of use cases anywhere (AFAIK).

Sadly, I saw someone on Twitter closing a current Jython integration
project with someone commenting "no company that I know of is using
Jython", or words to that effect. The FUD lives on...

FC
--
During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary
act
- George Orwell

[Jim Baker]

To address this perennial question, I expect we will be ready with the
Jython 2.7.1 release candidate fairly soon. Sorry it has taken so long!
There's one more bug we would like to fix, http://bugs.jython.org/issue2446
I'm at the OpenStack Summit in Barcelona this week; and I will be on
vacation next week. After that, I should have time to resolve this bug and
help put the RC together.

After that: we should look at publishing jython.org using readthedocs.org
or maybe github pages support. (Maybe other alternatives?) Improving our
docs is probably more important than anything else we can do at this time.
In parallel, 2.7.2 and 3.x work can of course continue, and we will figure
timelines later.

- Jim

On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 7:40 AM, Fernando Cassia <***@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Fernando Cassia <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Anyway, is there a wiki or web server playground -like staging.jython.org,
>> test.jython.org or something- where I could edit such list and preview
>> it before copying it to the live web site?. I only have experience editing
>> wikipedia articles... But even if I have to dig into HTML that shouldn't be
>> a problem....
>>
>> FC
>>
>
> I realized that I never got any answer to the above, and still there s no
> such list of Jython of use cases anywhere (AFAIK).
>
> Sadly, I saw someone on Twitter closing a current Jython integration
> project with someone commenting "no company that I know of is using
> Jython", or words to that effect. The FUD lives on...
>
> FC
> --
> During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a
> revolutionary act
> - George Orwell
>
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[Stefan Richthofer]

>>After that: we should look at publishing jython.org[http://jython.org] using readthedocs.org[http://readthedocs.org] or maybe github pages support. (Maybe other alternatives?) Improving our docs is probably more important than anything else we can do at this time.

The Jython-Homepage looks like it is written in sphinx/markup, isn't it? What about hosting its markup-source similar to github.com/jython/book on github? This could encourage the community to help maintaining/updating via PRs. There should be a (maybe automated) flow of nightly builds to the website, so accepted PRs would show up rapidly.
(In case of githubpages or readthedocs I'd suggest the same for whatever the page-source would consist of.)

-Stefan


P.S. Changing the subject given that already Jim's answer was not actually about use-cases. Maybe we could have a statement regarding the original question too?
 

Gesendet: Donnerstag, 27. Oktober 2016 um 13:51 Uhr
Von: "Jim Baker" <***@python.org>
An: "Fernando Cassia" <***@gmail.com>
Cc: "jython-***@lists.sourceforge.net" <Jython-***@lists.sourceforge.net>
Betreff: Re: [Jython-users] Jython use cases inside Rackspace, IBM, Oracle, Vert.x

To address this perennial question, I expect we will be ready with the Jython 2.7.1 release candidate fairly soon. Sorry it has taken so long! There's one more bug we would like to fix, http://bugs.jython.org/issue2446[http://bugs.jython.org/issue2446] I'm at the OpenStack Summit in Barcelona this week; and I will be on vacation next week. After that, I should have time to resolve this bug and help put the RC together.
 
After that: we should look at publishing jython.org[http://jython.org] using readthedocs.org[http://readthedocs.org] or maybe github pages support. (Maybe other alternatives?) Improving our docs is probably more important than anything else we can do at this time. In parallel, 2.7.2 and 3.x work can of course continue, and we will figure timelines later.
 
- Jim
 
On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 7:40 AM, Fernando Cassia <***@gmail.com[mailto:***@gmail.com]> wrote:

 
On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Fernando Cassia <***@gmail.com[mailto:***@gmail.com]> wrote:
Anyway, is there a wiki or web server playground -like staging.jython.org[http://staging.jython.org], test.jython.org[http://test.jython.org] or something- where I could edit such list and preview it before copying it to the live web site?. I only have experience editing wikipedia articles... But even if I have to dig into HTML that shouldn't be a problem....
 
FC
I realized that I never got any answer to the above, and still there s no such list of Jython of use cases anywhere (AFAIK).
 
Sadly, I saw someone on Twitter closing a current Jython integration project with someone commenting "no company that I know of is using Jython", or words to that effect. The FUD lives on...
 
FC
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